Who are you voting for?

[JunkyII]

Im goin to vote for Mccain since ill be in Army and will get paid more:D

[Rogentx]

Probably McCain because I respect the guy, especially after the hellhole Hanoi incident

[Waystin2]

I will be voting for Bentnail! He is exactly what this country needs right now. A swift kick in the ass! Seriously, McCain. I just respect the guy.

Way

[skullman]

an Might for VP-he'll kick em in the cock

[GovFlu]

I can't in good conscious vote for either wing of the DC mafia. I'll write in Ron Paul, or Barr / Nader / Mickey Mouse. I've never supported either big party one with my vote, not once... and my conscious is clean.

There isn't a gnat's ass worth of difference between the two, they're both polluted with their of out of touch inept elite cronies who could give a fuck about the average Joe, aka "us".

Did you know the Republican party "challenged" the right to vote for a huge number of black ENLISTED MILITARY service members?

What's good for the Goose.. the DNC mounted their own voter snipers too, but its not in detail like the video.

Don't watch this video if you still think elections are 'fair'.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6802228062297352475

The RNC sent thousands of registered letters, in a multi million dollar operation, to mostly black members of the US military inquiring about their residence status/ eligibility to vote... knowing; these troops were DEPLOYED to Iraq / Afghanistan, wouldn't be there to sign for mail that requires a SIGNATURE and cannot be "forwarded".

Targeting people in this manner is against the law, of course, which is why the RNC claimed the "list" of targeted voters obtained by Journalist Greg Palast was actually a "donor list"... which is RNC fiction, but don't worry, like "Scooter" they have the 'right' friends to avoid a daily reality to all of us: accountability.

US Govts own data shows over 3 MILLION votes were not counted, these votes were considered "spoiled" or "challenged" by either the DNC or RNC... yet W won by what?, less than 1000?

They both target each others votes in a filthy cynical elitist game that must have the founding fathers spinning in their collective graves.

[Rogentx]

I'm not racist or anything, but I don't think America is ready for black president just yet.

[GovFlu]

Groupthink strikes again.

[skullman]

osama obama will be asassinated:crazyjump

[GovFlu]

McCain joining the Heintz empire (family) is far from a fluke, neither is his affinity for GW Bush and the Bushies et al... they all go back a long way.

US history 101
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In 1933 right-wing American businessmen gave it their best shot at a coup in America, they wanted to overthrow Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, an elite scum of banker gangster families, anointed themselves to rule the US under a military like dictatorship...

Two of infamous scum families include the Heinz clan (McCains wife) & The Bushies (via George W's Grand pappy Prescott).

Prescotts plan failed, but he was already in bed with "Hitlers Angel"; Fritz Thyssen, a major financial backer of Hitler.

The Bushies did business with the Nazis all throughout the 1930s, 1940s, and even as late as 1951, Prescott profited nicely from mining operations in Poland that used slave labor from Auschwitz. Survivors sued the Bushies for $40 million dollars.

In 1942 Prescott Bush's businesses interests were seized under the "Trading with the Enemy" Act. He was also a chronic liar, gee just like his grandson... Prescott Bush wrote numerous letters claiming to be a decorated WWI combat vet... when news papers printed the letters Prescott was forced to retract his bloviated war fiction.

Recently the Bushies have been business partners with the Bin Laden family .. actually for quite awhile. Where was W's dad on 9/11? with the Bin Ladens, where did Osamas brother die in a plane crash?, in Texas while doing business with the Bushs oil interests. In the 30s, 40s and 50s they made lots of cash doing business with the Nazis, in recent history it's the Bin Ladens. The Bushs are a model American family we should all strive to emulate.

BBC documentary:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

History like this keeps me from voting for the same old elitist scum that have played Oligarchy and have driven this country with the tender loving care of a used car.

Families like these should be treated like human cancer and not allowed to participate in polite society.

[GovFlu]

You tube of the BBC special:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H6J6Wx0t8w
"Whitehouse Coup"

[Anodizer]

McCain joining the Heintz empire (family) is far from a fluke, neither is his affinity for GW Bush and the Bushies et al... they all go back a long way.

US history 101
----------------
In 1933 right-wing American businessmen gave it their best shot at a coup in America, they wanted to overthrow Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, an elite scum of banker gangster families, anointed themselves to rule the US under a military like dictatorship...

Two of infamous scum families include the Heinz clan (McCains wife) & The Bushies (via George W's Grand pappy Prescott).

Prescotts plan failed, but he was already in bed with "Hitlers Angel"; Fritz Thyssen, a major financial backer of Hitler.

The Bushies did business with the Nazis all throughout the 1930s, 1940s, and even as late as 1951, Prescott profited nicely from mining operations in Poland that used slave labor from Auschwitz. Survivors sued the Bushies for $40 million dollars.

In 1942 Prescott Bush's businesses interests were seized under the "Trading with the Enemy" Act. He was also a chronic liar, gee just like his grandson... Prescott Bush wrote numerous letters claiming to be a decorated WWI combat vet... when news papers printed the letters Prescott was forced to retract his bloviated war fiction.

Recently the Bushies have been business partners with the Bin Laden family .. actually for quite awhile. Where was W's dad on 9/11? with the Bin Ladens, where did Osamas brother die in a plane crash?, in Texas while doing business with the Bushs oil interests. In the 30s, 40s and 50s they made lots of cash doing business with the Nazis, in recent history it's the Bin Ladens. The Bushs are a model American family we should all strive to emulate.

BBC documentary:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml

History like this keeps me from voting for the same old elitist scum that have played Oligarchy and have driven this country with the tender loving care of a used car.

Families like these should be treated like human cancer and not allowed to participate in polite society.

Absolutely right, GOVT... If more people did their homework as opposed to vote with their hearts or by way of religion (let's face it....the evangelicals are who got idiot boy in office for is 2nd term....remember the "presidential prayer team"??) or party affiliation, I think we'd be a bit better off.. But now, it's pretty impossible to get a real person in office these days.. Not to mention that the president is merely a figure head of a much larger organization.. Corporate interests are what run the country.. Look at Iraq for example. All them hippies were right.. WE DID GO THERE FOR OIL. Infact, just within the last few days, the US has FIRST dibs on Iraq's oil production.. Hmm.... Interesting.. Oh, and Obama? Yeah, you can bet he'll either be a big talker with no action, or if he does decide to do what he says, he'll be bleeding from a 9mm hole in the front of his head.. Corporations are much stronger than any law..

I think from a foreign policy standpoint, McCain is a HORRIBLE choice and will only continue to alienate the US from the rest of the world. We are in a GLOBAL economy.. That means that we have to play nice with everybody.. It sucks, but that's the way it is.. And Obama seems to be ready to play nice.. There are many rising markets that are ready to take the US out of the competition (which is happening already) and that is the fault of all the rich "patriotic" business men sending the production components of their companies over seas because labor is far cheaper and they can make an extra 500% profit. The US is rotting from the inside out just as many other nations have over the span of recorded history.. Many more countries are eager to deal with Obama.. Not that I'm supporting either one.. Personally, I think they are both scumbags..
We are past the time where a president really matters.. As I said, he's just a figure head..

We have an inflation/consumer based economy.. Well, you can only inflate prices of consumables so much before people just stop paying for things and eventually cast the big middle finger to large buttfucking corporations.. Look at oil for instance.. Last year: TRIPLE PROFITS all around on every front.. And you wonder why gas prices are passed $4 a gallon.. Fuck this place man.. I'm movin' back to Europe where you REALLY DO get what you pay for..

[GovFlu]

I tend to go off on this because it really pisses me off how over the top obvious it is the banker gangsters run this country... and laugh about it.

The mafia could only dream of being billion dollar loan sharks (IMF/World Bank/Fed) with the blessing of the losers in charge.

I don't like being pissed on and told it's just "raining". Maybe because I'm feeling like an old 40 year old fuck these days, I've been pissed on enough while witnessing a shit load of lip service with almost zero to show for it.

Besides that, look how our "leaders" have TRASHED our freedom loving Apple Pie & mom image... how can our govt claim "moral authority" when our "Commander'n chief" is looked upon in the same light as shit-asses like Ahmadinejad & Kim Jong Il??

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/11/03/america/NA_GEN_World_Views_of_Bush.php

Europeans consistently regard the US as the biggest threat to world stability:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/70046760-27f0-11dc-80da-000b5df10621.html

Something is seriously fucking wrong with this. I don't see how giving chronic failures like the GOP / DNC power again & again is going to cause them to suddenly pull their respective heads out of their asses and act like responsible adults.

[GowGow]

oh god..... really? am I the only obama supporter here? oh please why the only one....

No seriously, I am voting for obama for the main reason that at LEAST he is saying that he will take us out of iraq. I want this war to be over, especially because i have lost more than one friend in iraq, and my girlfriend has also lost her older brother, who was the only person related to her (besides her brother's two kids, who are now dead due to a drunk driver) that EVER made her happy. I wont say this war was completely unneeded, but enough is enough and obama getting elected is the ONLY chance of this war ending within the next 4 years. Yes i will probably bitch becuase he does something that pisses me off, but the top of my list to santa is to end the war. and in all reality, if you guys hate him so badly, vote for someone else 4 years from now.

I do not hate John Mccain, I am very thankful that he put himself out in the line of fire and survived more than one exploding plane,(:salute:). i just strongly disagree with his agenda

[humes]

the people should fight for the law as for the city wall - heraclitus
also
men perform the foulest of deeds yet rehearse the fairest of words - democritus
although it ultimately influences our lives, i dont like politics...tis a chase after the wind..... but love the early greek philosophers

would rather have obama in btw

[billyD]

Funny how two parties have consistantly ruled a nation built on independence.

[JunkyII]

Gowow your the only one because you havnt built up the wisdom needed to understand why that arab looking monkey is gunna drive us into the ground more then bush already has. Only difference he is going to do it over here by giving away too much money to things like welfare and health care(Crack heads dont need either of these in my book)

[Anodizer]

Gowow your the only one because you havnt built up the wisdom needed to understand why that arab looking monkey is gunna drive us into the ground more then bush already has. Only difference he is going to do it over here by giving away too much money to things like welfare and health care(Crack heads dont need either of these in my book)

No offense brudda, but I don't think you are on top of the issue(S). Just because he's a democrat doesn't mean he's going to increase welfare in any fashion. In fact, Obama's agenda is to put a cap on welfare. And also, the real ratio of whites to blacks on welfare is about 50/50. So, don't forget to through white trash in their too.. Listen man, there's LOTS and LOTS of jobs out there that don't provide health insurance. GOOD jobs that pay pretty damn well. Many companies are moving away from these kinds of benefits in an era where corporations are allowed to blatantly screw their employees out of them. You can thank republicans for that kind of stuff.

I am weary of Obama... But, personally, I suspect he may be a realist and isn't afraid to tell people how it is. He told Americans that we can't have everything we want and the rest of the world not to be "upset". In the US, we are hardcore consumers. We consume and throw away everything. We waste tons and tons of resources each day (we are programmed this way) so big corporations can make more (in some other country, by the way) and we can consume it again and throw it away. This is an age of a global economy. What a mass populace does in one country affects another in some way, not matter how big or how small. Unfortunately, we as Americans are too fucking uneducated or uncultured to understand that aren't the only country on the fucking planet. Many countries CHOOSE to limit consumerism merely because they don't desire all the bullshit that goes along with it. Take most of Europe for example: if someone has an 8 cylinder engined vehicle for personal use, they are a laughing stock. With gas prices over $8.00 per gallon (around $3.00 per liter) why the fuck does someone need to have a fucking 8 cylinder? Most performance cars in Europe are 16Valve inline fours or 20 valve inline fives. Very few sixes and even fewer eights (unless you're absolutely fucking rich and have a few Lamboginies or Ferraries). That's just one example. They are millions of others which I choose not to elaborate on based on the scope of this forum.

I respect McCain for his wartime effort and imprisonment. However, that does not warrant him being a president. That's like saying William Shatner should be able to fuck your wife because he was good at playing Captain Kirk(or Denny Crane). McCain is too old for one. He'd be the oldest president ever to take office. That is of concern to me.
Yes, I may support Obama, only because I think he's a realist and the lesser of two evils. I don't know about you guys, but I'm not fucking millionair and probably never will be. So, a republican president pretty much will do nothing for me because I don't have any vested interest in anything of huge value like, say, Peter Sutherland (president of BP). A republican president will provide loopholes as far as taxes go for large companies and their CEO's because they throw money to the republican party. Now, as far as democrats go, it works the same way. Only, they get money from more liberal parties like Hollywood, etc.

To make a long story shot, get a republican in office, and the whole world will continue to hate us (that's bad for the economy anyway you look at it).
Get a democrat in office and you start to have more forward/global thinking/philosophy. And for those who say they don't give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks: think again. There are many things that other countries can do to us where we can't use our military to counter. Most of our oil comes from countries that absolutely despise us. Jack up the price, or cut supply all together, and we are fucked as a nation.. Or better yet, watch China start charging the US what WE use to charge the rest of the world for our goods.

[GowGow]

i'd like to thank you for backing me up ano

and junky please try not to be racist, im sorry but i dont think calling someone an arab-looking monkey is right in any way shape or form, even if you took out monkey, you'd still be using 'arab' in a way to be meant as negative, which also doesnt really help me believe any case you bring up

[Anodizer]

Gowow your the only one because you havnt built up the wisdom needed to understand why that arab looking monkey is gunna drive us into the ground more then bush already has. Only difference he is going to do it over here by giving away too much money to things like welfare and health care(Crack heads dont need either of these in my book)

So, what is your argument then? What information are you getting that he's going to give money to things like welfare?? If you were up on the issues, you'd know what Obama is saying to black folks, and it's not "stay on welfare, smoke crack, screw whitey".

First of, as I said before: Obama is a realist. He's being criticized by black folks all over the place for saying things like "Forget dreams of being a rapper or gangbanger...Take responsibility for your kids and for your actions...Go to school....Be something other than a typical black person..."
He has received crazy amounts of criticism from his own kind over numerous issues..The NAACP really doesn't support him much (Jesse Jackson said he wants to rip Obama's balls off). So, yeah bro...No offense....But understand the real issues before you go calling him an Arab monkey and blaming him for things he did when he was 5 years old.. You say for GowGow that he doesn't have the wisdom to understand that Obama is a monkey and will drive us into the ground.. I say the opposite....I say you're the monkey (no offense) because you blatantly express you don't have the wisdom, knowledge, or experience (you're what? 19? 20? and going to the Army?? How is that wise? Go to school for 4 years and then be an officer...Not an NCO pleab...) to express something without a real understand of the issues. I say all this respectfully and wish to not engage in an argument (although a civil debate is acceptable). But, what news do you read? Where do you go on the web to get your news which warrants you calling Obama a monkey and he will drive us into the ground? What area of the country do you come from.. Also, I understand you're a potsmoker as well.. So, where does your support for a republican come in when republicans have been trying to re-criminalize marajuana since the Nixon years (re-criminalizing meaning ANY amount you are caught with, you do PRISON, not jail).. Junky, no offense bro, but you is the one you needs to gain wisdom, knowledge, and understand of the issues instead of making assumptions based on skin color or name.. :salute:

[Waystin2]

I have never liked to talk politics with buddies, but here is my two cents...

The Republicans keep coming up with fucked up ideas, and the Democrats keep stealing them.

[Anodizer]

I have never liked to talk politics with buddies, but here is my two cents...

The Republicans keep coming up with fucked up ideas, and the Democrats keep stealing them.


Personally, I think both are pretty much a joke and are truly interested in lining their own pockets. Strange that Ron Paul (a better prospect for president than we've had in years) was shunned early on and more or less forced to drop out of the race.. It's run by money.. And whoevers money talks the loudest wins..

[GovFlu]

Absolutely right, GOVT... If more people did their homework as opposed to vote with their hearts or by way of religion (let's face it....the evangelicals are who got idiot boy in office for is 2nd term....remember the "presidential prayer team"??) or party affiliation, I think we'd be a bit better off.. But now, it's pretty impossible to get a real person in office these days..

Quoting a man smarter than all of congress / the Bush administration and RNC / DNC combined; founding father George Washington re: political parties

http://www.laughtergenealogy.com/bin/history/politics.html

"However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they (political parties) are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people, and to usurp for themselves the reins of government; destroying afterwards the very engines, which have lifted them to unjust dominion."

"Cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men", gee, like Bush, McCain, the Clinton clan, all of congress, and the rest of the subservient bottom feeding RNC/DNC lackey bureaucrats? (Obama Included).

I promise you all, Obama will subvert the will of the people and cave to his corporate owned party leaders. I personally don't trust him because the main stream media has anointed him with rock star status and an obscene amount of coverage.

Any Ron Paul / Dennis Kucinich supporter can tell you when the MSM and their banker gangsters masters feel heat from a free thinking politician that talks about legit changes that matter to average shit kickers like us, like the NAFTA abortion or the bogus Fed, and who dared speak truth to power.. gets quickly marginalized & labeled a "nut" by the elites attack parrot lackeys. If Obamas change message threatened the status quo, or the elite power structure.. he'd be at home today. He's the power structures attempt to polish the turd both parties have become.. tell me, how do you pick up a turd by the clean end?

The elite win every time the RNC or DNC win, I've been watching it for 22 years of adult life.

When I was a kid here in Los Angeles, everyone we knew had a good middle class job.. because there was industry here; a GM plant, Good Year tire plant, Skunk Works, a Mattel toy factory, heck there was even an American Television manufacturer (RCA I believe)... every one of them is now closed, quite literally the GM plants equipment, almost every last nut, was un-bolted from the ground, moved and to a plant Mexico. The GM plant is now a mall full of shitty made in China lead toys, Starbucks and assorted other corporate nonsense.

There was no public out cry from "the people" to move the jobs they needed to survive, the elite owners got tired of paying Americans for a job workers in other countries would for a fraction of the cost.